In a recent post on hanggliding.org, Mark Forbes (USHPA's Insurance Chairman) wrote:
Please read that carefully a few times. It is saying that clubs (like Sylmar and Crestline and Treetoppers and every other local club) can be an OWNER of the RRG if their members give their money through their local clubs first.Mark Forbes (mgforbes) on Jan 13, 2016 wrote:The law says that every party insured by a RRG has to be a part-owner of that RRG. The law also says that every owner of the RRG *must* be an insured.Jaybird78 wrote:The only people who are privy to an RRG benefits are its owner members. Is everyone going to be an owner member?
USHPA is one of the owners. The Foundation is another, and so is PASA, and so are some individual schools. Ownership and control of decisions is determined by the percentage of ownership of each entity. USHPA will be in for a little over a million (at present) and the Foundation will have about half a million in the pot. Another quarter-million will come from PASA and schools collectively. The remainder of the $2 million is either loans or additional fundraising money through USHPA. USHPA owns the majority share, followed by the Foundation, and then by PASA and the schools.
Individual USHPA members are not owners of the RRG. They are named on the USHPA insurance policy, as are clubs and landowners, but they do not own a piece of the RRG. The RRG is not allowed to sell insurance to entities which are not owners. If what you're fishing for is a statement that the so-called "Hawks" could purchase insurance from the RRG, then I'd respond this way:
If the "Hawks" was an organization with a structure, management and membership (rather than being an online-rant-forum) that offered a training and rating program, that had an established board of directors which met regularly, and in general operated as a real association, then it might apply to the existing owners of the RRG for approval to buy into it as an additional owner. If the other RRG owners agreed that the "Hawks" was a legitimate organization with a shared purpose and values, intent on promoting our sport and dedicated to our common interests, then they might even approve it. There would be a significant capital investment required, subject to regulatory review and approval. But as currently constituted, that's not likely. I'm speaking purely hypothetically here; there is currently no interest in adding any other organizations to the RRG.
The core purpose of our RRG is to provide a source for liability insurance for our sport; our pilots, instructors, schools and association. By owning our insurer, we gain control over the decisions that shape our future. We may have future problems, but we'll own those problems and their solutions.
As I've said in other discussions, the difference between owners and donors is like the difference between the Green Bay Packers (still in Green Bay since 1919) and the Los Angeles Rams (now in Saint Louis).
Owners have control. Owners have a say. Owners share in profits. Owners have ... ownership!! Donors have none of that.
I am starting this topic to spread the word to all local clubs that they should be pooling their member's donations to buy into the RRG as OWNERS. If you are a member of a local club anywhere, please post this message and open the discussion about your club purchasing an OWNERSHIP of the RRG rather than having your members give away those resources.
Also, as mentioned in Mark's message, this does open up the possibility of the US Hawks also becoming part OWNERS of the RRG at some point in the (hopefully) near future. As Mark mentioned, we will have a few hurtles to jump, but there's nothing in his list of naysaying that we can't accomplish fairly easily. So if you would like to participate in ownership of the RRG and don't have a local club that's going that route, please consider holding that money in reserve to participate in the RRG through the US Hawks.